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, but the blowback on the ground is something that -- can be furious and last friday i was at the pentagon talking to the joint chiefs legal advisor who we talked about this at length. one of the things that they try to do as they analyze and propose strike, what's the blowback going to be. >> on the ground. >> on the ground. you can hit a guy in the house, but if all the neighbors -- if that causes them to go join the taliban, you know, you have taken a big step backwards. he was trying to persuade me that they pay attention to that when they're looking at a proposed strike, but the problem is how can do you that from washington? very, very difficult. the evidence so far is in yemen, for example, enormous blowback. you know, the analysis that i've seen is that we've caused more harm than good there. >> ben, i wonder, the other -- there is blowback regionally, but there has been such a lack of discussion here, and i remember the "new york times" kill list story that raised hackles in the administration. mr. obama is the liberal law professor who campaigned against the iraq war and torture and then
, not strongly enough, but sees the need to do that. the pentagon is running 322 golf courses around this world on taxpayer dime. there's some bloat in there that doesn't get as much attention as social security and medicare. >> it does represent a threat to the direction of foreign policy. that's really what is behind this op zegs. >> i will end this segment, unfortunately. we have to end it here, but i will say this. i think you look at that tape of chuck hagel speaking in 2002 talking about his experience in vietnam. the president's words about being in the blood and the mud war are so important and to have someone who has seen combat and seen it in that way and still has shrapnel in his chest making decisions about what's going to happen to the men and women overseas should not be lost on the american puck. after the break congress has a few options for avoiding the next fiscal crisis. president obama can use an unconventional option to neutralize the fight. trillion dollar coins. >> we should have known a coin was obama's solution to everything. it was right there in his slogan. change. >>
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